Friday, 30 December 2011

Highlights of 2011

I had a number of goals for 2011 some of which I have managed to achieve, others not yet, and with only 37 hours to go are unlikely to happen in 2011.

I wanted to do more writing this year and have been published in
Inside History ,   History and Genealogy 2011Australian Family Tree Connections   and also articles for Scroll, my local family history society journal.
I finally started a blog 31st March then was mad enough to start four others. With 77 posts and 21 in draft (love the ability to start a post when you get the idea and then finish it later), I haven’t been as active as I had hoped only averaging 9.6 posts a month (across all blogs). I hope to do better in 2012. Lots of benefits with writing a blog including being found by new cousins!

I was very pleased to have my book   Death Certificates and Archaic Medical Terms

published in 2011 with Unlock the Past.

It reached the top 10 of their  2011 list   which was very gratifying. Thank you for your support.

I have a few more books planned for 2012 publication.


I love doing presentations (something about ability to “still talk under wet cement") and have been doing them since the early 1990s . Due to work commitments (and a bout of cancer) had slowed down a bit in recent years and had only been doing them for my local FH society. I had determined that 2011was the year to restart and it has been a great year.

I have done 19 presentations with Unlock the Past events : two fantastic Genealogy cruises, three Expos, Coffs Harbour, Cairns and Geelong and the New Zealand shore presentation. Then two presentations in Coffs Harbour and three for my local society. So that goal was definitely achieved with a total of 24 presentations! 

I have got five presentations already booked in, so far, for 2012. And I will be presenting in the Unlock the past 3rd Cruise  in 2013 which will be six full sea days of glorious family history conference plus some additional talks on shore days.

This is where my 2011 goals have definitely been exceeded and I have had a wonderful time doing it!

I restarted my English Certificate in Genealogical Studies with the National Institute of Genealogical Studies which had been on hold due to that aforementioned diagnosis. I am just over halfway through. The plan is to finish it, then do the Australian Certificate.  

I have attended over 100 presentations by fantastic presenters, attending the cruises and Expos were great for this!  I have also attended a number of webinars and bought copies of others that I wasn’t able to attend. I love Genealogy but 2am, my time, is not the ideal time for me!

I have also devoured many podcasts especially those by the UK National Archives , Genealogy Gems, Geneabloggers, My Society also Genealogy Guys, all of which are available through iTunes.

I also have subscriptions to most of the UK Family History magazines.
My education has also progressed through reading lots of blogs. We are so lucky in the willingness of talented genealogists to share their knowledge through their blogs. (I do have a list still to read)

I have not done as much of my own research as planned this year but the amount I had planned was probably an unrealistic goal. I have had some wonderful finds and further enhanced my knowledge of my family.

I have been going through some military photos in a bid to identify units and time periods and have had great success with this, due to the kind help of the people at Regimental Books

I have spent time using the new databases available on FindMyPast  (UK, IE and AUS versions), Ancestry , The GenealogistOrigins   ,  FamilySearch  and the wonderful newspaper sites TrovePapersPast   and the new  British site and have found some wonderful things. It is difficult to keep up with so much becoming available online so having research plans with some free play-time scheduled in is necessary to not get overloaded.


One of the major highlights of 2011 was being a member of Genealogists for Families , a group of family historians, their families and friends who have joined together to make microloans to people around the world. At $25 a loan it is making a difference to poverty one loan at a time. I have loaned to a number of people who are paying back their loans. The loans were for things like a sewing machine, a cow, a new oven for a bakery We loan because we care about families: past, present and future.

2011 has been a fantastic genealogy year! It hasn't been such a great year otherwise with our business flooded, my property, but not thankfully, my house flooded, working full-time as a public health microbiologist and a range of other issues which has meant genealogy and the wonderful people in the genealogy community has been what has kept me sane this year! Thank you all for your support.

I am working on my plans for 2012 and will post on these soon.

Rootstech – My Rooted Technology

From Joan Miller at Luxegen a new technology Meme: 
  • Technology you already use: bold face type
  • Technology you would like to use or learn more about: italicize (color optional)
  • Technology you don’t use, have no interest in using or no longer use: plain type
  • Explain or give opinions in brackets [     ] at the end of each bullet point

  1. I have a tablet computer such as an iPad that I use for genealogy [an ASUS currently although not heavily into it as yet]
  2. I have downloaded one or more apps to a Smart Phone or similar device.
  3. I belong to a genealogy society that uses social media.
  4. I use GEDCOM files and understand the various compatibility issues involved
  5. I have added metadata to some of my files and digital photos.
  6. I have utilized an API from a genealogy-related application or website.
  7. I have taken a DNA test related to my genealogy research. [awaiting autosomal results now]
  8. I have used the FamilySearch Research Wiki.
  9. I have a Facebook account and use it regularly for genealogy. [and friends as I have not been able to persuade my close family of the benefits although my extended family do use it.]
  10. I use tech tools to help me cite my sources in genealogy research.
  11. I have developed a genealogy-related app for a Smart Phone or similar device.
  12. I use a genealogy database program [The Master Genealogist is my prime program, Legacy Family Historian are the others I use for extra features.]
  13. I use cloud computer resources to store my genealogy data [Dropbox primarialy].
  14. I have made one or more contributions to the FamilySearch Research Wiki.
  15. I have attended a genealogy webinar.
  16. I have organized and administered a DNA testing group related to my genealogy [very inactive group as am having problems persuading QUESTED males to take the test!].
  17. I use apps involving GPS for my genealogy research.
  18. I have a Google+ account and use it regularly for genealogy.
  19. I have created and published a family history e-book.
  20. I have create a wiki related to my genealogy research.
  21. I have conducted a genealogy webinar as a presenter.
  22. I read genealogy-related blogs to help improve my own research.
  23. I have one or more genealogy-related blogs to help improve my own research [ currently have five blogs but have not been as active as I would like] .
  24. I have a Twitter account and use it regularly for genealogy [again not as often as I would like].
  25. I have one or more genealogy-related websites which I run and administer. (I just haven’t found the time as yet. I have got the domain name)
  26. I have created a screencast or video related to genealogy and posted it at a video sharing site (Vimeo, YouTube, etc.).
  27. I use one or more digital tools to capture and record my family history. [video, digital note taker, camera, scanner]

Sunday, 25 December 2011

Merry Christmas to all!


The above card is from the early 1900s and was sent from Mary Christensen in the USA to her parents in Brisbane Australia. It is very colourful and pretty.

Another pretty card is this one  from Lucy Rollason's niece in London again from the early 1900s.
Christmas is a time for families, for friends near and far away and for thinking of a better world.

It is also a time to think and pray for our servicemen and servicewomen especially those who are far away from home and their loved ones. So below is the postcard sent as a Christmas Card sent from Darwin by my Grandfather William George Busby to his wife Myrtle Christmas 1941. 

Saturday, 3 December 2011

Unlock the Past 2nd Cruise: Burnie

We have arrived in Burnie after two days of conference presentations. Back to Telstra Internet about which I am very thankful! Amazing how fast it seems after trying to use the satellite Internet aboard ship.

The sea was, perhaps not as smooth as it could have been, but the majority of people had no major issues apart from the presenters, who at times looked like they had imbibed the contents of the local distillery!

We did our Immigration stuff and it is funny to think that I went on a tour through 13 European countries a few years ago without a single stamp in my passport yet I now have a stamp from Burnie, a town of around 20, 000 people in Tasmania. 

Shauna Hicks gave a presentation on the Traps and Mistakes people can make when researching. Always worth hearing again no matter how experienced a researcher you may be!

Rosemary then gave a presentation on FindMyPast Australia with big news of many more records being added and the news that next year there will be a merging of the three currently separate FindMyPast offerings which will allow a single access point to your desired databases. Exact details are not available as yet but again this is something which I am very happy about as I use all three FindMyPast offerings an currently have to log in with different email addresses.

Then it was off the ship to go into Burnie. 

Mayor Steven Kons greeted us on the wharf and welcomed us to Burnie and very nicely posed for a picture with us. He looked very elegant in his formal robes.

Burnie has an excellent volunteer tour guide system who were very helpful in talking about local attractions.

I visited the shopping area as had to do some business then had an enjoyable time in the Pioneer Museum. 

Burnie is to be congratulated on the quality of this museum. It is laid out as a street from historical times with a general store, dentist, carpenter and more.

The dentist's room did not look very inviting! The audio accompanying the room mentioned that initially there was no requirement for the dentist to be qualified and practically anybody could call themselves a dentist! It wasn't until 1897 that a qualified dentist took up residence in Burnie to treat the teeth of the area.

There was a very nice looking medicine cabinet in the corner of homoeopathic medicines.

The Museum also contains a very nice area devoted to the military with displays and information from both World Wars. Burnie has a collection of Prisoner-of-War reminisces which were the result of a lifetimes work.

I saw this lovely headstone near the exit and wonder about the story behind it and why it was there at that point. was it a cleared headstone from a long ago cemetery? It is in a well preserved state.

A very nice Museum and a wonderful place to spend a few hours!

Unlock the Past 2nd Cruise: At Sea Again

We are now on our way across the Tasman to Burnie which is on the top of Tasmania.  This  means two wonderful days at sea with a full conference program.  With 19 (yes that is 19!) presentations over the two days including Shauna's and my postponed talks, it was a fantastic but very busy two days. 

I am not going to review all the talks there is simply not enough time but do look at some other cruisers' blogs such as Shauna Hicks  and her second blog  ,Jennifer Jones   and Chris Paton as they will also cover some of these.

Chris Paton did a talk on Scotland Censuses 1841-1939 (yes that is 1939) and one of the most important things to remember is that Scotland is NOT England and some things were done differently, some better some not as nice for us, such as the fact the 1911 census returns available are not the actual household returns filled in by your ancestor as is available in the English and Welsh 1911 census.  It is an important point and can have quite an impact on your research if you are doing Scottish research particularly as previously mentioned in doing land research.

Rosemary Kopittke continued her excellent series of presentations on the online databases: FindMyPast UKThe Genealogist, Ancestry AU and MyHeritage . These were all well attended as Rosemary has a knack for showing people what is available and the best way to search the databases for the greatest returns using her searches particularly for her research name Beeston.

Keith Johnson gave a presentation on the Biographical Database of Australia which intends to publish biographies of Australians on-line by linking together entries from original records, with their biographical material appended. Keith Johnson and Malcolm Sainty are ideally suited for this task as they were the originators of the Australian and Biographical Genealogical Record which gave us so much wonderful material that is taken for granted by so many today. This includes these records ably edited by the enthusiastic and talented Carol Baxter:

Musters and Lists, New South Wales and Norfolk Island 1800-1802 (ABGR, 1988)
Musters of New South Wales and Norfolk Island 1805-1806 (ABGR, 1989)
General Musters of New South Wales, Norfolk Island and Van Diemen's Land 1811 (ABGR, 1987)
General Muster of New South Wales 1814 (ABGR, 1987)
General Muster and Land & Stock Muster of New South Wales 1822 (ABGR, 1989)
General Muster List of New South Wales 1823, 1824, 1825 (ABGR, 1999)

This project has amazing potential for all future researchers and is one I am watching with major anticipation! Major announcements are expected in 2012. I look forward to supporting this project in any way I can.

Richard Reid gave two more presentations: The Great Famine 1845-55 - Irish ancestral experience and memory and The Australian Imperial Force on the Western Front 1916 -1919. 

Richard's presentations are full of information, much of it not so much about the records but about the life, the experience and the things that made it real to the people involved and to us. He adds colour and life to these subjects and others on which I have heard him speak. He is a professional historian and this shows through in his presentations. Again, if you have a chance, definitely go to these presentations whether or not you have ancestors involved. if you have, it will give greater meaning but this is history which has an impact on everyone.

Shauna gave her postponed presentation on using Google for your Family Tree and as always gave an excellent presentation. Google is an excellent search engine and Shauna gave many tips on using it more effectively to do the searches and find the items you want. 

Google also has so many facets and depths apart from being a search engine. so many people don't use it to capacity but everyone who attended this presentation should be able to go out and use it more effectively. Google images, scholar, blogs, books, translate and so much more!

I gave my Researching in UK Archives from Abroad about which I received  some positive comments which are always nice to hear.

Chris Paton did a nice talk on DNA. Many presenters make this an overly complicated topic wanting to show you how clever they are knowing big words without showing the practical applications and problems. Most people are very happy to use a digital camera or computer without needing to know exactly how it works. DNA testing is the same, it is simply another tool which can be useful if used for the right reasons. It is not a replacement for good research. Chris showed how it could be used in real situations remembering people are real and non-paternity events do occur.  Name changes also can occur for a variety of reasons which can impact on expected DNA results.

It has been an amazing few days with a lot of information from the presenters and also from the cruise participants. So many people with their own research experiences and expertise.

Unlock the Past 2nd Cruise: Milford Sound

Today (well actually a few days ago but due to the restricted internet on the ship I am behind in my blogging) we cruised along Dusty Sound then into Doubtful Sound then Milford Sound.

I have been to Doubtful Sound a number of years ago (originally then the plan was to visit Milford Sound but an avalanche had closed the access tunnel) during a bus tour after a conference. It was interesting this time to do it from the sea.

Perry McIntyre spoke on the 19th Century Irish Landscapes which was very interesting. It is so important for anyone who is researching people, rather than just names and dates, to be aware of the geographic area of our ancestors which has an impact on their lives.

Jan Gow then spoke on New Zealand BDM records online. I don't have any New Zealand research (apart from following one Quested family that settled there and most of the work on that family has been done) but it is always interesting to hear how sites are set up.

In the afternoon session I was scheduled to talk on Researching UK Archives and Shauna Hicks was scheduled to talk on Google your Family Tree.

However the time the Volendam was  to be in Milford Sound was the same time as our scheduled presentations. Needless to say, our talks were rescheduled as Milford Sound would obviously be the premiere attraction!

And when you look at the image, could there be any doubt?

I sat most of the day glued to the window watching the majestic scenery. In fact I was so busy watching that I took very few photos! I did venture on deck but it was quite cold and I returned to watch in comfort with a large cup of chai latte. 

We are in quite a large ship yet the steep cliffs tower over the vessel. There were some small boats cruising the Sound as well and the view from them must be awe inspiring! I didn't see any animals but did see a number of birds.

That evening we were given a wonderful presentation by Chris Paton on  Scottish Weavers. Chris did a dissertation on the hand-loom weaving community in Perth, Scotland 1770-1845 as part of his Postgraduate Certificate in Genealogical Studies. The depth of knowledge and sheer passion for the subject shines through in his presentation and in the stories of the people and the records he shared. If you ever get a chance to hear Chris talk, run don't walk for the opportunity!

Then we left the Sounds on our way across the Tasman to Burnie which is on the top of Tasmania.  This did mean two wonderful days at sea which means a full conference program about which more in the next entry.

I can't leave you without some comment on some things about the ship. Each night I am greeted on entry to my cabin by another towel creation.

Each day the crew let us know the day by changing the mats in the lifts. Without this reminder it would be very easy to forget the day unless of course you are attending family history presentations and earnestly waiting on each new days talks!


Monday, 28 November 2011

Unlock the Past 2nd Cruise: Little River

I joined the cruise half way through. Speaking to the people on board I have missed some excellent presentations however there  are many more to come.

The ship is the Volendam, a very nicely set up ship of the Holland America Line.

Akaroa Harbour

As well as the 100 or so on board presentations,  there are also a number of on-shore seminars also being  organised by Lyn Blake, the New Zealand Society of Genealogists Education Officer, and Unlock the Past and these have been well attended.

We docked in the beautiful habour at Akaroa and Chris Paton and I headed off to Little River to give some presentations. 

Thank you to our drivers both there and back for the beautiful scenery and telling us  historical information of the area.

Akaroa is a very French settlement. The French flag was flying, the streets are all named as Rue  and as we were told it is only an accident of fate that New Zealand  was not actually a French colony.

Chris remarked the scenery was very similar to Scotland except the sky was blue! I have not managed to get to Scotland as yet but this scenery was definitely lovely and well worth seeing.

Chris did an excellent presentation on Discovering Scottish Church records. He started with an overview of how the Presbyterian Church became established in Scotland. 

I had never realised how complicated this was but it is clearer now (although I am very pleased he has written a book on the subject!). It is important to understand how and what schisms occurred as without this information finding your person being baptised could be impossible. 

This is particularly soas so much of the online Scottish records are the Established church rather than the breakaway  churches. In the 1851 religious census there were over 2000 non-conformist churches in Scotland.

I gave my Demolishing Brick Walls or as I prefer to call it "Going from Stop to Go in Your Research" talk which appeared to be well received.

Then Chris gave another wonderful presentation on "Online Irish Resources" There have been so many resources released online for Ireland recently that it has been fantastic. 

Chris spoke of the best ways of accessing the information as some sites are much cheaper than others. He provided so much information that I was very pleased I had bought his book as my hand just couldn't keep up with all the links! (He does have a list of links available on his website) I would recommend his book available through Gould Genealogy. 


Chris writes  well and his work is very readable. You will also see his articles in many of the well-known genealogy magazines. I am just trying to work out a way of chaining him to his desk and having him write many more soon!

Gould have been publishing an increasing number of excellent books on family history including one by yours truly. So keep an eye on the website and what is coming out as I know of a number of books in various states of progress.

Tuesday, 22 November 2011

Tombstone Tuesday: William Busby, stonemason of Toowong

William Busby was born 25 May 1851 in Coombe Oxfordshire, and became another in a long line of stonemasons.  On the 21 July 1872 Annie Howard and William were married in the George Street Independent Chapel in Oxford.

They left from Plymouth aboard the Mhari Bhan 29 August 1882 and arrived in Brisbane 29 November after sadly losing their young son William on the 22 September. This was their second child who had died as their first born Ann had died in Oxford in 1880.

After arriving William worked as an Inspector of Works for a number of years (before losing his job for being rude to a ratepayer! Amazing what you can find in the newspapers)

Caskey Memorial - Toowong Cemetery
William went out on his own and worked as  a monumental mason. He made a number of the stones at Toowong cemetery.

I am the person you see wandering around the cemetery peering at the bottom of the headstone to see who made it rather than the top to see who it has died!

William submitted a design along with the other prominent stonemasons in Brisbane to the committee who wished to raise a memorial to Lieutenant Lachlan John Caskey, who was killed in action at Makari Drift, Caledon River, South Africa on 27 September 1901. William's was the winning design. 

A public committee raised the 70 pounds cost and the memorial is the first known South African War memorial in Queensland and a model for later monuments in this state. William also did the Anning memorial, another Boer War memorial.

After these he did a number of the large memorials at Toowong Cemetery (more on those another day).

William died 4 April 1928 and was buried at Toowong Cemetery just up the road from his home on Sylvan Road.

He was buried not far from the Caskey Memorial. William's headstone is in keeping with his Methodist faith. 

Thursday, 17 November 2011

Treasure Chest Thursday: George Howard Busby Press Pass

Newspapers are a treasure trove of information. Now that more and more papers are being digitised, access has never been easier.

In Australia, a massive digitising effort has been done by the National Library Trove. Many happy hours have been spent. In New Zealand has PapersPast  also by their National Library and Brightsolid and the British Library are in the process of digitising many UK papers.

I was one of those who had a chance to play with the beta version on the weekend before the official release which will, hopefully, be before the end of the year. I was thrilled to find some snippets of interest. The digitising is quite good although I would like to see about six words before your search term returned in the responses as it would make it easier to determine if the result is one in which you are interested. The beta version did not have save options but I am hoping the full version will have save options of JPG and PDF.  They still don't have a solution for my One Name Study Quested problem where unfortunately the word re-  quested is returned in the search results.

It is only a small card just less than credit card size but it opened up more possibilities and added another layer to my mystery George's life. I went back to Trove and did more searching this time for images specifically. George Howard Busby took a number of photographs that were published by the Courier Mail and Queenslander papers in the early 1920s. I still have to do some research to determine if he was actually employed by the paper or was a freelancer.

While none of the photos of His Royal Highness, the Prince of Wales in the papers at the time were attributed to George, I also have a letter from the Prince's secretary thanking George for the photos he had sent to the His Royal Highness.

So for me this was double treasure!

Wednesday, 16 November 2011

Surname Saturday Meme: Names, Places and Most Wanted Faces

Hmm, not quite Saturday but my writing is done when I can find some time.

Thomas MacEntee has revived Craig Manson's 2009 Meme. It is a great one to redo as it really publicises the names we are researching. The names  will be picked up in Google and other search engines which will hopefully then lead to new cousin contacts where hopefully they do actually contact you! (Of course you have made it easy for them to contact you by having contact details on your blog or at the very least having a comment option?)

A slightly perplexed moan here: I have put some photos up on Ancestry to share and while I don't mind people copying them (after all that was why I put them there). I still don't understand why those same people don't contact me and ignore me when I contact them. Do they seriously believe that is all the information I have on that person or family?

Back to the Meme and How This Meme Works

To participate, do the following at your own blog and post a link back on Thomas' blog in the comments:

1. List your surnames in alphabetical order as follows:

[SURNAME]: Country Town/State or County/, date range
as in:

AMOS surname: England, ( Kent, Molash) 1820- (Kent Selling) 1820+

BUSBY surname: England  (Oxfordshire, Coombe, Oxford) 1760+ Australia (Queensland, Brisbane) 1882+

CADWALLADER surname: England (Shropshire) 1790-

CARTER surname, England (Sussex, Northiam) 1803, (Kent,  Lydd, Brabourne, Sellinge, Boughton Under Blean) 1860+

CLEAVER surname: England (Warwickshire, Coventry) 1800s

COURTENAY surname: Ireland (Monaghan, Scotstown) 1846, Australia (Queensland, Toowoomba, Brisbane) 1865+

CULLEY surname: England (Cornwall, Mabe) l840+

CULLICOAT surname: England (Cornwall, Mabe) 1840-

EVANS surname: Wales (Radnorshire, Rhayader) 1830-, England (Middlesex, Enfield) 1840+, Australia (Queensland, Brisbane) 1865+

HAMER surname: England (Shropshire, Ludlow) 1780+

HOWARD surname: England (Buckinghamshire, Great Marlowe) 1760+, England (Buckinghamshire, Woburn) 1816, England  (Oxforshire, Summertown) 1840+

JELLEY surname: England  (Middlesex, Enfield) 1765+

LEWIS surname: England (Shropshire, Pontesbury, Church Stretton, Ludlow) 1790+

LONGLEY surname: England (Sussex, Northiam) 1740+

MCATAVEY surname: Ireland (Monaghan) 1846

NICHOLLS surname: England (Cornwall, Mawnan, Mabe and Stithians) 1700+

PHILPOTT surname: England (Kent, Saltwood, Hythe, Tonbridge) 1780+, 1840+, 1910+

PLUMRIDGE surname: England (Berkshire, Abingdon) 1720+ (Oxfordshire, Oxford) 1820+, Australia (Victoria, Geelong) 1850+

QUESTED surname: Anywhere, Anytime, One Name Study registered with Guild of One Name Studies

ROBINSON surname: England (Middlesex, Enfield) 1720+

ROLLASON surname: England (Warwickshire, Foleshill) 1720+ Australia (Queensland, Brisbane) 1863+

SMITH surname: Lucky me, I have  nine lines of Smith but the main one is England (Kent, Lower Hadres) 1800, (Kent, Boughton Under Blean and Hernhill) 1820+

TREMAYNE surname: England (Cornwall, Constantine) 1750-

WEEKS surname: England (Cornwall) 1790+, England (Devon, Plymouth) 1820+

WILLS surname: England (Cornwall, Perranuthnoe)  1680+

WINN surname: England (Cornwall, Constantine) 1770+

2. At the end, list your Most Wanted Ancestor with details!

While I always want to know more about all my ancestors my most wanted Ancestor is actually a marriage and a late marriage, during civil registration, at that:

William PHILPOTT born in 1838 in Cheriton, Kent marries Sarah MORGAN born in Llansafried, Wales. Well we assume they marry somewhere around 1858 as their first child was born in July 1859 in Folkestone, Kent. They go on to have another 12 children in Saltwood and Hythe (two of the other supposed children were actually her daughters' children). William dies 3 Military Terrace, Hythe in 1898. Sarah dies there in 1912.

Per the 1911 census where it asks 'how long have you been married in your current marriage' Sarah says "37 years" which would make a supposed year of marriage 1874 (Sarah signs the form, so possibly it is the truth or they never married). William does die in 1898 so it would also depend if Sarah still considered herself married or not in 1911 (my mother still considers herself married even though Dad died seven years ago) in which case the marriage may have been 50 years previously eg 1861 if my maths is right?

William was employed as a groom in his early days so it is possible that they met while he was in service., as it is interesting that they come from different sides of the country.

I would love some fresh eyes on this as I have looked for this marriage for a number of years. I did a search from 1858 to 1898 which is when William died.

 It is possible that Sarah was previously married which would muddy the waters somewhat. Unfortunately Philpott, while not Smith is still not an uncommon name, especially when you add in a possible marriage anywhere in the country or even possibly out of it!